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JUVENTUS RIVALS: A Juventino’s Guide to Recognizing Your Enemies

This post was guest-blogged by Frank Lopapa. Follow him on Twitter (@fnlopapa).


 

We all know that Juventus is far and away Italy’s most popular club. However, the inverse is also true; the Bianconeri are also Italy’s most hated club. Being the most successful team on the peninsula, it’s only natural that such success breeds resentment, deserved or otherwise. No matter where we play, whether it be the San Siro or the Sant’Elia (if Cagliari ever play there again), every team marks their calendars for the day they play Juve.

Join me as we take a look at six teams most Juventini would agree to be the Old Lady’s most intense rivals.

 

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INTERNAZIONALE


The one club every Juventino loves to hate. The ‘Derby D’Italia’, which describes the annual encounter between Juventus and Inter, was bestowed upon the match by Gianni Brera in the mid 60s for two reasons: as a testament of the fixture between Italy’s two most decorated clubs, and for the historic tension separating fans from the two teams. The common belief it describes a match between the only two clubs to never have been relegated is — in fact — false, as at the time Bologna and Milan also had never been to Serie B.

Always a spirited rivalry, affairs between Bianconeri and Nerazzurri took a turn during the 1990s, with Massimo Moratti’s constant prattling on about supposed injustices (the most notable being the Ronaldo-Iuliano “incident”). Interisti, carried by the words of their president, naturally followed suit. However, with the breakout of the Calciopoli scandal and Inter’s perceived influence in getting Juve relegated, the hatred between the two sets of supporters only intensified. With their loathed rivals in shambles, Inter began a dominant spell in Serie A, culminated by their ‘tripletta’ of 2010 (every time I think of it I get physically sick).

Juventini’s contempt for the Nerazzurri only grew exponentially when, upon discovery that Inter too had participated in illicit activites prior to Calciopoli’s eruption (and particularly, infractions of Article 1), the FIGC chose not to indict the club based on the statute of limitations. In Italy, Juventus fans will forever address Inter & their fans as “prescritti” (i.e. protected by the statute of limitations) and as a result, matches between the two sides are almost always filled with vitriol and animosity, like any proper rivalry should.

TORINO


The natural, intra-city rivalry. Toro supporters will claim that their club truly represents the city and the Piedmont region, and that Juventus is not really supported in the city or the region at large.

A bit of history: Torino was founded nine years after Juventus in 1906 as a result of an argument between factions within the Bianconeri. The dissenters left, and thus, Torino FC was born. The first match between the two Turin clubs was on January 13, 1907 which Torino won 2-1. Hotly contested throughout most of the 20th century, the rivalry has lost a little zest since the Granata have bounced around between Serie A and Serie B over the past decade; Juventus and Torino have only played each other six times in the past 10 years.

When the two clubs square up December 1, it will be the first Derby della Mole in over three and a half years. I for one actually hope Torino stays up for the next couple seasons, because who doesn’t love beating up on your cross-town rival? Enzo Maresca certainly does

FIORENTINA


To put it diplomatically: I don’t particularly like Fiorentina. Mainly because of the ‘-39′ banner Fiorentina supporters displayed in Turin last year, as well as their strange superiority-inferiority complex. If they’re going to have a seething hatred for us, may as well throw it right back at them. But I digress.

Viola supporters *hate* Juventus, to the point where it would be extremely unwise to walk around Florence in a Juve shirt, lest you feel like taking a trip to the hospital. But why all this rage towards the Old Lady? Turin and Florence aren’t exactly close to each other, and Fiorentina hasn’t seriously challenged for the Scudetto since the 1980s. Actually, it goes back to when Fiorentina did challenge Juve for the title some years ago, but got edged by a single point during the 1981-82 season (thanks to a late Juve penalty converted by Liam Brady, away to Catanzaro on the final matchday).

Yet it is several years later, with the Pontello family (then owners of the Viola club) wanting to cash in on their prize asset Roberto Baggio, that the rivalry became bitter. With the sale ‘Il Divin Codino’ to Juventus for 25 billion Lire (~€10m today, a record amount at the time), Fiorentina supporters were furious. Pretty much ever since then the hatred for all things Black & White has permeated throughout Florence, but it certainly helps that Juventini have reciprocated this hatred throughout the years.

ROMA


Another rivalry that goes back to the 1980s, back when the Giallorossi were regularly competing near the top of the table with Juve. Despite boasting teams with the likes of Paulo Roberto Falcao, Pietro Vierchowod, and Roberto Pruzzi, Roma were only able to win a single Scudetto in the 80s. Much of that was down to the dominance of Juventus.

Things got testy during the 1990s when Zdenek Zeman took the helm at the capital club. The eccentric Czech made claims that Juve’s player were doping under the guidance of their medical team, which gave them an unfair advantage over everyone else. Still believing it’s 1994, Zeman recently came out and said that he doesn’t believe Juventus even won the “official” count of 28 Scudetti; that because of “Juve’s rampant cheating” in the 90s, it’s really more like 22 or 23. This is why beating his ass by 4 goals at the end of September was so, so satisfying.

Adding to the animosity is that fact that the Lazio region (much like the rest of Italy) is home to many Bianconeri supporters. When Juve play at the Olimpico in the capital, the away end is usually packed with Juventini, many of whom are from the city and surrounding areas.

NAPOLI


Another heated, hostile rivalry stemming from the 1980s when Napoli snagged a couple Scudetti thanks largely to the famous MA-GI-CA trio of Diego Maradona, Bruno Giordano, and Careca. Like Rome, Naples is home to thousands of Juventini, a fact that leaves many Napoli supporters a bit ruffled and therefore intensifies the rivalry even more.

Personally, I enjoy playing against Napoli in a masochistic sort of way; they always give us a hard time, so beating them makes watching the match an even more rewarding experience, especially if it means hearing the Juventus fans mockingly sing ‘O Surdato ‘Nammurato’. On the other hand, I hate, hate losing to Napoli so much, probably because it makes them so happy.

This year more than ever, with the two teams currently dominating Serie A and harboring reciprocally sour sentiments (after facing each other in the Coppa Italia final last year, and this year’s Supercoppa), the Juve vs. Napoli rivalry has taken a special meaning. It’s certainly too early to tell, but many are already pointing at the clash of October 20 as a “Scudetto showdown”. Juventus Stadium frets in anticipation…

AC MILAN


I didn’t mean to list Milan last on purpose. They’re certainly a rival, but to me it has always come off as a ‘gentlemanly’ rivalry (or as gentlemanly as a rivalry can be in Italy). With the exception of Muntari-gate last season and the following fallout, these are two sides that seem to truly respect one another; rarely, if ever, any cheap shots. It might have something to do with the old adage “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” And we all know who that common enemy is.

The 1990s and early 2000s were dominated by both club’s success domestically and in Europe. Milan won three straight league titles in the early 90s plus a Champions League title, after which Juventus won three of the next four titles (the other one naturally went to the Rossoneri), not to mention the Turin side’s three successive Champions League finals. This dominant run by the two sides culminated in the 2003 Champions League final, where Milan defeated Juventus on penalties.

Additionally, the two sides play against each other in the annual Trofeo Berlusconi during the lead up to the new season. Superstition has it that the winner of said trophy does not win the Scudetto in the upcoming year (further reinforcing the idea that if Juve are not to win the Scudetto, then Milan will, and vice-versa). There is an element of truth to the “curse”, as since 2002 all but once has either club won the Trofeo and the Serie A title in the same year (Juventus in 2004). Earlier in August Juventus won the match, so now it is a question of whether they can break the “curse”.

 

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Even though the above likely represent the Bianconeri’s fiercest “enemies”, in truth for Juventus every team is a rival: everyone wants a piece of us, regardless of how high or how low the club is in the table. We are a club that has only enemies, no friends. As the saying goes… amici di nessuno!

Well, except maybe for these guys
 
 

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  • daas88

    Inter being the exception (but because of scum like Moratti, Materazzi, Mourinho, Vieri, etc, the others are cool), I respect our rivals.
    I don’t think it’s healthy to be hostile toward other people because of a sport, same for politics or religion, unless they are violent extremists. And in that case, I wouldn’t hate the whole group, only the violent/disrespectful ones among them.

  • Massimiliano F.

    I’ve always felt that the animosity with Fiorentina was one-sided: the Viola hate us for the reasons given so we hate them back, otherwise we’d treat them like any other supporters of a provinciale.
    In Piedmont, outside of Turin, the Torinisti are much fewer than the Juventini. Each major town has its own historical club (Alessandria, Casalemerda, Novara, Pro Vercelli, to name a few), so Juve and Toro are the same in terms of local partisan representation. Until the 80′s one could also consider Juventus and Torino in social and political terms, but that would require an essay.
    Intermerda fans are the prescritti; proscritto means banished, exiled – oh, we wish!

  • Massimiliano F.

    I’ve always felt that the animosity with Fiorentina was one-sided: the Viola hate us for the reasons given so we hate them back, otherwise we’d treat them like any other supporters of a provinciale.
    In Piedmont, outside of Turin, the Torinisti are much fewer than the Juventini. Each major town has its own historical club (Alessandria, Casalemerda, Novara, Pro Vercelli, to name a few), so Juve and Toro are the same in terms of local partisan representation. Until the 80′s one could also consider Juventus and Torino in social and political terms, but that would require an essay.
    Intermerda fans are the prescritti; proscritto means banished, exiled – oh, we wish!

    • http://www.juventiknows.com Marco P.

      Intermerda fans are the “prescritti”. Whereas “proscritto” means banished, exiled – oh, we wish!

      Ha! You’re right. Wishful thinking on my part when I edited the article. :)
      Fixed.

  • http://JuventiKNOWS.com TeamGREASE

    Just to set the record straight, Inter Milan WERE relegated in 1922 but bitched about it so much that they were automagically allowed to remain in Serie A.

    Only team to never be relegated? False. Only team never to play in the second division? True.

    Here’s the old wikipedia entry before someone “updated” it:
    In 1922 Inter were in Group B of the Serie A and came in last place after picking up only 11 points in the season. The last place team of each group was to be automatically relegated. The second last place teams were placed in a pre-relegation ‘salvation’ tournament. Inter and La Gazzetta dello Sport’s editor (Colombo) petitioned the FIGC to allow Inter to participate in Serie A the following year as a year in Serie B would have been financially detrimental. The FIGC saved Inter some weeks prior to the season starting by allowing them to remain in Serie A in 1923.

    Most clubs want to win on the pitch, but some clubs are good at other things…

    • http://www.juventiknows.com Marco P.

      Careful Mike. That is not completely true. I suggest you read the Italian entries regarding the 1921-22 campionato, particularly regarding how at the time Italian soccer had separated into two federations, the FIGC and the C.C.I., and how the Compromesso Colombo was actually designed to reunite them into one single entity and thus, league.

      http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_Divisione_1921-1922#Girone_B
      http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Club_Internazionale_Milano#Cenni_storici (2nd paragraph)

      As it turns out, despite ranking last in their group at the end of the 1921-22 season, Inter had to play a relegation playoff against S.C. Italia di Milano as per C.C.I rules (which they won by forfeit, as their opponents could not field enough players due the majority of the team being away on military service). Then the Compromesso Colombo reshuffled the playoff pairings between teams of FIGC and CCI, and Inter got paired against Libertas Firenze instead. They beat them 4-1 on aggregate and were thus allowed to stay in the top division.

  • http://twitter.com/tinnywonks Sharline

    An Interista student once canceled a lesson with me because I told him I support Juve. True story. Although to be honest I had been praying for that cancellation earlier that day, haha.

  • Interista

    LADRI!!!

    • http://www.pickapps.net/ Rocke Linez

      Speak for yourself, you filth!

  • JOSHUA

    We’re so gonna break the Curse of Berlusconi!

  • dweb

    > Viola supporters *hate* Juventus, to the point where it would be extremely unwise to walk around Florence in a Juve shirt

    Interestingly, my love affair w juve was just starting when i visited Florence for the first time. I walked into a sports shop and unabashedly purchased my first juve home jersey w ‘Davids’ on the back. I wore it out of the store. I felt like the pitbull himself.

  • https://profiles.google.com/WPazzurri/about Weston (@wpazzurri)

    I thought the Inter rivalry started with some issues in the early early 1900′s where one side fielded a youth team in protest of something for some reason? Or was that Pro Vercelli?

    • http://www.juventiknows.com Marco P.

      Though it certainly didn’t START the rivalry, that 1960-61 incident certainly fueled its flames.

      Inter were playing Juventus at home at the Stadio Comunale, and the stadium was filled beyond capacity. Some spectators actually had to sit down on the athletic track, and it is said some went even as far as using Inter’s bench and sit alognside Helenio Herrera! Though there was no actual concern for safety per say, the match referee stopped play in the 30th minute with the score still tied 0-0, and suspended the match. The league gave Inter a 2-0 forfeit win, which would have put them just 1 pt. behind Juve in the standings. Juve however appealed the decision and won their appeal, forcing the match to be replayed!

      Now, this is where it gets dramatic. Inter players claim they were given the news the match would have to be replayed just before they had to face Catania. They say they news completely demoralized them (LOL), making them lose 2-0 and putting them 7 points behind Juve in the standings. So, seeing as this was a mid-April match and their title hopes were now essentially in the toilet, to protest of the league’s decision to replay the match president Angelo Moratti (yes, the father of Massimo) decided to send Inter’s Primavera to play the replay. Juventus won 9-1 and went on to win the Scudetto a month later.

      If you read Italian, there’s a great re-telling of the story here:
      http://www.storiedicalcio.altervista.org/juventus_inter_9-1_boniperti.html

      • http://www.juventiknows.com Marco P.

        For the sake of completeness, I should add that at the time Umberto AGNELLI (who was 25 years old back then, the youngest president in the league’s history) was simultaneously the president of Juventus AND… the president of FIGC. :) His influence thus surely played a role in getting that match replayed.

        • https://profiles.google.com/WPazzurri/about Weston (@wpazzurri)

          well although i certainly cant agree with a president being allowed to have double duty like that, i do think its hilarious how even then inter were unreasonable and bitter losers!

          • http://www.juventiknows.com Marco P.

            Being a referee myself, I have to admit that in present day such a situation would be completely unacceptable. There is no way a team would be able to get away with their fans stepping out of the terraces like that, or for a team to allow more spectators than its stadium can hold. Any referee would immediately suspend the match, and the home team would automatically lose 3-0 by forfeit.

            But that was a different time back then…

  • ken_Oh

    FOr myself I have big respect for Milan AC, They are truly a Great club.
    I HATE Inter;
    The rest is ok.

  • ken_Oh

    FOr myself I have big respect for Milan AC, They are truly a Great club.
    I HATE Inter;
    The rest is ok.

  • http://twitter.com/Mark_Jacobsen Mark Kjær Jacobsen

    I feel like Parma should’ve gotten a mention as well? I’ve always seen them as a fierce rival even though their team has fallen a lot in terms of quality over the last years.

    • Zissi

      Parma? Meh not really. They only competed for the Serie A title once, in 96-97. Never been a Juve rival. Plus the two teams are on very good terms.

  • http://www.geekinpractice.com amrush

    Why isn’t the Magpies listed as friends? I am disappointed XD

    • http://JuventiKNOWS.com TeamGREASE

      good call! Forza ‘Pies!