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[STTBS] Juventus News – Coppa Italia Exit, Genoa Suspensions, Calcio Awards

This post was guest-blogged by Vittorio Pazzini. Follow him on Twitter (@vittoriopazzini)


Welcome back, friends, to what is sadly a post-Coppa Italia-exit edition of STTBS.

Last night’s match was truly the cruelest kind of defeat, as after 90-plus minutes of futility, courtesy of a toothless attack and more ignored penalty shouts, and having conceded our customary lone goal, things looked ridiculously bleak. And still, if we could just score to send it to extra time…

Our savior finally arrived in the form of a wounded (how else?) Arturo Vidal. And yet, Juve managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory less than a minute later, as a sadistic deflection from a Lazio cross found Floccari wide open to head past a less-than-stellar Marco Storari.

From utter despair to wild hope, back to utter despair, all within two minutes.

It’s Pendulum Week in Turin. As you’ll see herein, Juve’s fortunes have swung drastically from day to day, even hour to hour, starting with this past weekend. And though morale is at a relative low and the pendulum has swung temporarily towards defeat, there’s only one way for it to swing now (we hope).

With that, let’s commiserate, and maybe even try to find a bright spot or two.

  • Coppa Italia Post-Mortem

    Juve knew going into last night’s match that they were facing an uphill struggle.

    They also knew they had to do one thing above all others — score. A defensive masterclass by itself would mean nothing if the Bianconeri didn’t win the match, or score more than one away goal in the event of a draw. Ultimately, they neither defended well nor converted the bulk of their chances, while for the second straight match valid claims for a penalty kick were ignored.

    Antonio Conte went with a risky, low-quality starting XI, partly due to fitness concerns and the need for turnover, and partly for tactical reasons. From the start, Antonio was banking on three super-subs to be introduced later in the match in order to capitalize on any fatigue Lazio would be feeling. If it worked, we would probably be extolling his crafty genius, and in a way I admire his nerve in setting out that way.

    lazio-2-1-juventus-arturo-vidalUnfortunately, he sent out an extremely weak midfield to support a notoriously weak strike force. Arturo Vidal was left to anchor the middle of the pitch alongside Simone Padoin, Emanuele Giaccherini, Mauricio Isla and Luca Marrone; in each instance, you will agree that the aforementioned are inferior to the normal Bianconeri protagonists. Meanwhile, Mirko Vucinic and Sebastian Giovinco brought their recent inferior form to bear on the proceedings. Things looked shaky at best.

    Yet even with such an unpromising lineup, the Bianconeri started out in very bright (though nervy) fashion. This match had that rare combination of ugliness and pace, which in my experience are usually mutually exclusive. It was a sort of a fast grind, dotted with very hard tackles from both sides. However, Juve were very quick to be yellow-carded by Banti, while Lazio were given a much longer leash for equally intense tackling. Nevertheless, the early going was quite promising, culminating in a valid claim for a penalty when Vucinic, connecting with a through-ball in the box, beat Lazio goalkeeper Federico Marchetti to the ball and was brought down by him. Of course, this is Juve, so after a cursory conversation with the linesman, Banti resumed play with no penalty given.

    What followed was the usual story, writ large in a knockout format with no margin for error. Juve controlled the bulk of possession and gave very little ground to Lazio, and yet the abject impotence of the midfield and forwards ensured that no goals were scored.

    Worst of all, Juve’s most active attacking “threat,” Giovinco, invariably lost the ball, scuffed a shot or fell prey to referee skepticism regarding the exploitation of his famously small stature. Giovinco had several strong claims for free kicks, but for every true foul there were at least one or two embellishments on the part of the Atomic Ant which gained him no favors with Banti, who clearly believed him to be taking advantage of his size disadvantage. But what else can an ant do, especially when he’s not feeling so atomic these days?

    The old frustration soon gave way to desperation, as shortly after the break Lazio went ahead on Alvaro Gonzalez’s diving header. Gonzalez was allowed free passage to the far post courtesy of Federico Peluso, who admittedly was one of the better players on the pitch up to that point.

    Enter the super-subs. Conte sent in Andrea Pirlo, Claudio Marchisio and Fabio Quagliarella, who added the necessary intensity without providing that one transcendent moment. At the close of regular time, a mixed blessing arrived: six minutes of injury time. Great for our last-ditch efforts to score, but more ammunition for those who believe Juventus are being “helped.”

    Luckily, within only two bonus minutes, Arturo Vidal cleaned up Marchetti’s parry of a swinging cross and placed it where all had hitherto failed: in the back of the net. Suddenly, hope! The match was seemingly headed for extra time, a much-needed respite from the frantic offensive launched and sustained by the tiring Bianconeri.

    Then, within less than two minutes more, Lazio converted that fatefully deflected ball from their corner kick for the crucial deciding goal. However, their delirious celebration added a minute of precious time for the Bianconeri to answer. Improbable, but not impossible…

    And damn if we didn’t almost make it through.

    Giovinco was put clear through on goal, and nine times out of ten (especially if those nine times were not very important occasions), Seba would have converted. But at point-blank range he shot straight at Marchetti, who deflected the ball…right to a wide-open Marchisio! But inexplicably, the second easy chance in seconds went similarly unconverted, as Claudio failed to strike the ball with his right foot, or cleanly with his left. Heartbreaking.

    In seconds, Juve went from crashing out, to all-but-passing through to the final, back to crashing out. It was the cruelest of defeats, because for a few brief moments, after a match full of frustration, we were finally allowed to dream.

    Whether this setback spurs Juventus back to power is very difficult to predict, as on top of injury woes, the Genoa fiasco has led to several suspensions (see below) which will see several makeshift lineups in the coming weeks.

    What we do know is that the Old Lady has been scorned, badly, and more than she deserves. We can only hope for her subsequent fury to surface.

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  • Conte’s Lament

    Recently, Antonio Conte’s press statements have been maddeningly vague, and his reaction to the loss at Lazio figured began in much the same manner. It may just be a symptom of the current say-nothing media ethos, but the Juve coach’s determination to keep all of his criticism in-house, while mostly noble, can get more than a little frustrating amidst a string of disappointing results:

    We certainly deserved better over the 180 minutes, but Lazio went through and congratulations to them. The last chance had a decisive bearing, because we would have qualified had it gone differently. The lads played an excellent game, but that’s football and we can only take note of it.

    As ever, Conte’s use of the word “excellent” (as translated by the official site) is baffling. I imagine he’s referring once again to some abstract execution of the movements he choreographs during the week, the means rather than the end.

    Conte then defended his player selection, hamstrung as it was by illness and injury:

    Matri had a high fever up until yesterday so I didn’t have any other options available in attack.
    Quagliarella did well when he came on. Marrone? I envisage a great future for him in the center of defense, but he also did well in midfield. I’m happy with how my players expressed themselves. We know exactly where we’ve been lacking in this recent period.

    We do? Okay. That genuinely makes me feel better, especially after continually hearing that Conte is happy with his players’ “expression,” which you’ll agree expressed very little in the way of confidence and prowess, to say nothing of marksmanship.

    While it’s still too early to panic, there’s no denying that this is officially a storm that now must be weathered, until several of the Old Lady’s best players recover and the old spirit returns.

  • Juventus-Genoa-Suspensions

  • Genoa Fallout

    When the smoke cleared from Saturday’s debacle against Genoa, four Bianconeri were sanctioned by sporting judge Gianpaolo Tosel.

    Antonio Conte was given a two-match ban, which means he’ll miss the matches against Chievo and Fiorentina. Compared to what Conte has been through this season, this is no big deal. What is perhaps a bigger deal is that Leonardo Bonucci will also be suspended for two matches. We’re looking at a Barzagli, Marrone and Caceres backline for the next two weeks.

    Mirko Vucinic, who was yellow-carded in the match, will sit out for Chievo; same goes for Giorgio Chiellini who was disciplined for running out onto the pitch in his civilian clothes. Of course, he was never in contention for the Chievo match, due to his injury.

    And according to our JuventiKNOWS Indifference Bureau, Giuseppe Marotta has been “banned from all representative duties” until February 18.

    That’s fine, because despite his obvious skill as a sporting director and nose for a good deal, his rash statements have proven that he is not quite a “Top Representative,” to paraphrase slightly.

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  • Juve Clean Up Calcio Awards

    From sanctions to accolades in the space of a few hours, Pendulum Week started with a bang for Juve.

    The annual Gran Gala del Calcio (formerly known as the Oscar del Calcio) was held on Sunday in Milan, and unsurprisingly, Juventus swept the major awards:

    Best Manager: Antonio Conte
    Best Goalkeeper: Gianluigi Buffon
    Best defender: Andrea Barzagli
    Best midfielder: Claudio Marchisio
    Best midfielder: Andrea Pirlo
    Best Italian player: Andrea Pirlo
    Best team: Juventus

    No Juve forwards? It’s a scandal! Oh, wait…

    The winners were chosen by members of the Italian Footballers’ Association; sadly, none of them seem to have had an influence on the FIGC since around 2006.

    There’s nothing like being handed trophies after a somewhat embarrassing incident to make an Old Lady feel sheepish, but bad timing aside, no one in the calcio universe could deny that all of Juve’s plaudits from the past season are more than well-deserved.

    For once, no one, not even a Milanese fan can dispute that these awards were won entirely on the pitch.

  • Agnelli Weighs In

    Juventus President Andrea Agnelli is in a precarious position these days. He has to straddle the line between defending his club and keeping up Lo Stile Juve. And while he hasn’t always made us proud (the handling of the whole Del Piero affair), he has done much to restore pride in Torino after years of sporting darkness and organizational incompetence.

    Regarding the Genoa incident, Andrea balanced his words very carefully, but still managed to make a good point or two:

    There are games that have a lot riding on them and people get caught up in the emotion and tension of the occasion. You can’t really expect them to behave like English lords at the end of the match, especially when you have such a glaring episode right before the final whistle.

    You will always get reactions in football. Certain things always get blown up when they happen to Juventus, but you shouldn’t manipulate comments made in the heat of the moment. Marotta maintained a very calm tone yesterday and it’s up to the people who select referees to decide how appropriate certain appointments are.

    Depending on which refereeing appointments are made in future, we’ll see if what was said was deemed appropriate or not. Having said that, we must move on and remember that whoever finishes top in May will be there deservedly.

    Agnelli went on to discuss both present and future objectives:

    We have very high expectations and we know that it’s more difficult to win the second time round. The teams behind us have legitimate title ambitions and Napoli should be seen as a serious Scudetto contender because they have great players and a very capable coach.”

    The investments that the club has made in the last two or three years will bear fruit. I’m talking about the J-College, which enables our youngsters to combine their academic commitments with their sports activities, the stadium, which makes headlines when it’s ‘only’ 90% full, and the J-Museum, which has already received over 110,000 visitors in just over six months.

    We want to keep aiming higher, drawing inspiration from the very best in European and American sport. There are three main sources of income for sports clubs: TV rights, gate receipts and commercial earnings. The clubs that lead the way in these areas are Spanish, English and German, in that order, but Juve are on a par with the best clubs in Europe.

    Bravo, Andrea: a measured tone, throwing no one under the proverbial team bus. He has a daunting legacy to live up to, but Andrea is handling himself with distinction, and is showing the boorish older generation (Berlusconi, Moratti) how to behave, even when members of one’s organization lose their cool.

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  • C’est Dommage!

    If tonight’s result once again hammered home our severe lack of quality in front of goal, then true to form, Giuseppe Marotta has remedied the situation… with more of the same.

    Nicolas Anelka has apparently finished his medical examination ahead his eventual transfer to Juventus. The French forward has gone a relatively lengthy series of tests at Turin’s Istituto di Medicina dello Sport and the Clinica Fornaca di Sessant.

    We are not getting the Nicolas Anelka of Chelsea. We are getting a 33-year-old who most recently played in China with Didier Drogba. And for those of you who were wary of Drogba signing with us, I can only imagine what you think of this signing. Anelka is generally thought to be a replacement for the injured Nicklas Bendtner, and unfortunately it portends to be a like-for-like substitution of utter futility in front of goal.

    I am not the first to say this, but it bears repeating: why did we cast out the greatest player in the history of our organization, only to replace him with a 33-year-old football pensioner? I usually don’t take much stock in the commentary on BeIn Sport, but they had a point when they said that for every time Giovinco was shut down near goal due to a lack of ideas, Alex Del Piero could have easily supplied eight to ten very bright ones. And I’d go further to say that Alex would provide said creativity not just in his prime, but right now.

    I seriously hope I’m wrong about Anelka, and if he can contribute even three or four goals in any competition, he will instantly shoot miles ahead of his injured predecessor. In any event, I look forward to admitting to an almost Pele-like incompetence in predicting the future as it pertains to football.

    Please prove me wrong, mon ami!

    Meanwhile, in more transfer news, you may have heard that Mario Balotelli is finally on his way to Milan. Juventus were reported to be in talks, but Juve’s interest was almost certainly a ploy to drive up his price for Berlusconi. In that task, we succeeded: Milan had to up their initial €20 million offer to Manchester City’s original asking price of €23 million plus incentives.

    As I said, I doubt Juve’s interest in Balotelli was anything other than superficial. Moreover, I’m aware that Mario’s occasional moment of magic is more than outmatched by his very consistent madness, and that he would potentially be disastrous if faced with Antonio Conte’s exacting, disciplined methods.

    Still, as we sit through match after one-goal match, it’s hard not to feel a slight frustration at our lack of options, allure, resources, etc. We certainly have no need to fear anyone in Italy, certainly not Milan, with or without Balotelli. If anything, it’s a testament to our strength that we’ve had such success in the past year with fewer “marquee” names. But it would be nice to feel fully, properly superior, as we once were.

    Not Galactico style, which is false superiority, but simply secure in the mix of homegrown talent and choice international quality that the best Juve squads have always enjoyed. When the money kicks in from the new stadium, I expect Marotta to work towards that end.

  • Juve Sign Cevallos

    Last time, I mentioned the impressive enthusiasm for the Old Lady exhibited by imminent signing Jose Cevallos, who now officially has joined us on loan until the end of the year, most likely with the Primavera squad. But if he can score, who knows? Give him a chance with the big boys!

    Here’s the official announcement:

    Juventus have completed the loan capture of midfielder José Francisco Cevallos Enríquez from Ecuadorian side LDU Quito.

    The 18-year-old, who has forged a reputation as one of the most promising teenage prospects in South America, joins the Bianconeri on a temporary deal with the option to make the move permanent in the summer.

    Born on 18 January 1995 in Guayaquil, Cervallos’ impressive displays have already earned him international recognition with the Ecuador Under-20 national side.

    Welcome, Jose! And please, please, please… try to score.

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  • Buon Compleanno, Gigi!

    Finally, all of us here at JuventiKnows wish our captain and San Gigi Buffon a very happy 35th birthday today.

    The official website has posted a very succinct tribute, though it can only fail to adequately express all that Gigi means to the club and Juventini worldwide:

    The current captain joined Juventus at the age of 23 in a big money deal which brought him to the club from Parma in 2001. The Juve shotstopper has been symbol of the club for many years and has appeared in nearly 350 matches. He has achieved great success during his time in Turin, winning five Scudetto titles and three Italian Super Cups. The recent contract extension will see him remain at the club for an additional two seasons.

    Gigi has also achieved great success internationally, having played a major role in Italy’s 2006 World Cup victory. He currently sits third in terms of appearances for the Azzurri and is set to overtake Paolo Maldini this year.

    Tanti auguri, capitano!

That’s all for now. See you later this week for updates on the Chievo match, last-second transfer news and Primavera exploits.

Hang in there, amici!

 


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  • http://www.dirtbunny.net/ Dirtbunny

    1: Hey Mods! I know Marco is occupied, but can we bring back the shout box?

    2. Vittorio: These are really excellent. Thanks for doing them.

    3. Anelka? I just want to cry. At least Bendtner is young and has time to live up to his potential, which still could happen, I guess. Anelka is a has-been.

    4. The Coppa; I can feel a rant churning around in my head, but the rage and disgust has not yet congealed into verbal format. The only words I have are RAGE! DISGUST! SUCK!

    • Vittorio

      Grazie mille, my friend. And I agree with No. 4. It was all I could do to temper this piece with even a modicum of positivity.

      • Vittorio

        Scusi, I thought the first one didn’t going through.

    • Vittorio

      Grazie mille, amico. And I agree with you on No. 4. It was all I could do to inject a modicum of positivity into this morning’s piece.

      • joolean

        amica? Dirtbunny is a gal if my memory serves well.
        Anyway, this STTBS took a long time for me to read, well done!!

        • Vittorio

          Amica–that’s right! Scusa ancora!

        • Vittorio

          Amica–that’s right! Scusa ancora!

        • Vittorio

          Amica–that’s right! Scusa ancora!

        • Vittorio

          Amica–that’s right! Scusa ancora!

    • http://JuventiKNOWS.com TeamGREASE

      Posting the Shout box was my thing, but I killed it off because I didn’t think peeps really liked it.

      Anyone else want it back? I could reconsider.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sigurdurkr Sigurður Kristján Jensson

    I sincerly think that if we would put Alex in Giovinco´s position this season we would be running off with the title. Thumbs up for Anelka no expectations here it cant be hard to better our offence. And Anelka is a proven player

  • http://lavecchiasignora.net/phpBB3/index.php thegutterpoet

    Anelka is 33, which isn’t old enough to have wiped away the form and talent and experience spread quite evenly over many years spent in top leagues at top clubs in top competition. Its astounding that any comparison could be made between the playing career of Anelka and Bendtner. One of them is in the twilight period of a successful career full of trophies and success, the other has only ever boasted of possessing the talent and professionalism needed to eaarn such accolades. Anelka has more champions league experience than any of our strikers. He has also shown, many many times, that he is far from ‘like for like’ with bendtner when it comes to scoring goals. Misleading and inaccurate…

    Cevallos looks exciting, as does Vajebah Sakor, whom we have also picked up…and then there is our ongoing acquisition attempts for the immensely encouraging prospect of Bebeto’s son, Mattheus. Beppe, Paratici and their scouts are doing some great work behind the scenes…

  • http://lavecchiasignora.net/phpBB3/index.php thegutterpoet

    Anelka is 33, which isn’t old enough to have wiped away the form and talent and experience spread quite evenly over many years spent in top leagues at top clubs in top competition. Its astounding that any comparison could be made between the playing career of Anelka and Bendtner. One of them is in the twilight period of a successful career full of trophies and success, the other has only ever boasted of possessing the talent and professionalism needed to eaarn such accolades. Anelka has more champions league experience than any of our strikers. He has also shown, many many times, that he is far from ‘like for like’ with bendtner when it comes to scoring goals. Misleading and inaccurate…

    Cevallos looks exciting, as does Vajebah Sakor, whom we have also picked up…and then there is our ongoing acquisition attempts for the immensely encouraging prospect of Bebeto’s son, Mattheus. Beppe, Paratici and their scouts are doing some great work behind the scenes…

    • http://www.dirtbunny.net/ Dirtbunny

      Anelka was once great. However, during his last season in China and his last half-season at Chelsea, his goals to appearances ratio is a little better than 1:10. That is comparable to Giaccherini, and not as good as Milos Krasic was last year, or as good as Iaqunita was last year for Cesena. Bendtner during the 2011-12 season at Arsenal and Sunderland was 8:31. So yeah, it’s astounding that anyone would compare Anelka and Bendtner like for like. Based on the numbers from recent performances, Bendtner is better, plus he has at least the theoretical possiblility of improving. I don’t question the excellence of Anelka’s overall career, but to suggest that the number of trophies aquired is a reliable measurement of invidual excellence is misleading and inaccurate; an awful lot depends on your teammates. And professionalism is helpful in building a successful career, but plenty of successful players have been douchebags too.

      • http://lavecchiasignora.net/phpBB3/index.php thegutterpoet

        ‘but to suggest that the number of trophies acquired is a reliable measurement of individual excellence is misleading and inaccurate; an awful lot depends on your teammates’…Nonsense. Most players anywhere near the top of the game are judged on what they have won. Its not at all misleading…There are of course oddities, where a top class player is not interested in winning trophies, such as Matt Le Tissier, but such cases are few and far between. the vast majority of players aim for trophies. So I will just have to assume you have very uncommon measures for the quality of a footballer’s career. Also…if you had followed Anelka’s career you might have noticed that he has played often in the wide channels, on the flank, for Chelsea and Bolton especially. He was rarely the out and out centre forward, prima punta you appear to be judging his goalscoring statistics upon. Your decision to skew his goal-scoring statistics from his final half season at chelsea (where he was increasingly marginalized by Villa Boas, and treated, some would say unprofessionally and meanly) and his first season in China where his team-mates where wretched other than Drogba, who just happened to be taking the centre forward spot (you did mention how an awful lot depends upon teammates), is a strange one. Perhaps it suits your stance, but its a ridiculous argument…You haven’t taken into account his relationship with Villa Boas, position deployed in by VB, and his team-mates in China. You have taken statistics from a very small period, and completely avoided what came before that period, and completely avoided even applying your own mention of the importance of team-mates to that period, and completely avoided the situation with Villa Boas…making your own argument, an interesting opinion, but rather pitted with holes.

        Regardless…I will always be unable to find common ground with any football supporter who sincerely believes that trophies and titles earned in a career are a misleading and inaccurate measurement of individual excellence.

        I’m no fan of Anelka. I have never liked his attitude. But he has always had quality. And I hope he does well at Juve…I remain, unswayed by an argument which to me makes no sense, and hopeful that my instincts are correct, in that in a 33 year old Anelka, we have a player hugely more useful than in a the formerly fit Bendnter he has replaced.

        • http://www.dirtbunny.net/ Dirtbunny

          “You haven’t taken into account his relationship with Villa Boas, position deployed in by VB, and his team-mates in China.” Seriously? You want yo tell me that I’m an idiot for suggesting that individual greatness is not necessarily measured by team accomplishments in a team sport, but when a player does poorly, that’s on his coach, the position in which deployed, etc? Pick one.

          My argument is simple and I chose a small portion of his career on purpose: Recent form is a more reliable predictor of a player’s potential for future success when that player is past a certain age. If past glory is the most important factor, then we should bring back Cannavaro.

          • http://lavecchiasignora.net/phpBB3/index.php thegutterpoet

            I didn’t call anyone an idiot. Let me first make that crystal clear. If you wish to debate, don’t put words into my mouth. Its irritating and makes a debate appear as if you are arguing with yourself, not debating with another person.

            ‘not necessarily’ is markedly different to what you previously wrote and I responded to. Cannavaro is 39, Anelka is 33. The difference is too obvious to even expand upon your rather odd and ranty example…I never suggested either of the two options you suggested. So I have no need to pick just the one. Football, to me, is a combination of such measures. I just happen, like a lot of fans and pundits and players, to judge a footballer’s career on what he achieves, on the success he enjoys, yes, ultimately on the trophies and titles and awards he wins. Most teams, most players are about winning, and the nearer you get to the top of the sport, winning becomes even more important. ALL of the top teams aim primarily for success, for trophies for titles. ALL of the top players are employed primarily for their ability to help the team win. As I mentioned its very rare for the most talented players to lack the zeal to get to the very top, the very top meaning fighting for top honours…Le Tissier remains the only one to stick out very clearly. I don’t judge players solely on their accumulated trophies, but the top players, yes I do…There are others I admire and respect their own different coloured and shaped version of success…players such as Di Natale, Le Tissier, Ryan Nelson, Jääskeläinen, Brad Friedel, Ginola, Fowler, Paolo Di Canio, …to name just a few, whose tenacity and brute determination and top drawer quality, or in the case of the Saints Genius Le Tissier, simply god given very rare talent, make their careers a success in my heart and mind.

            Essentially, you appear to see football more one dimensionally than myself. Which is fair enough. its your opinion. I most certainly do not agree with the ridiculous assertion that its either -

            ‘ to suggest that the number of trophies acquired is a reliable measurement of invidual excellence is misleading and inaccurate;”

            OR

            “a player does poorly, that’s on his coach, the position in which deployed,”

            Which are your words, not mine. I haven’t implied either of those measures. Form is affected by a lot of factors as is judgement of success. I most certainly don’t and have never called the success of a team, the success of ONE player, and i haven’t suggested the failure of a player is the fault of the coach. To look at a sport which brings out wonderful passions in myself, in such a bland, lifeless, one dimensional matter, simply doesn’t make sense to me, and only a fan not really understanding, of sport in general or of football specifically, could contentfully look at the beautiful game with such stale analysis and blinkered focus. Each to their own eh!

            If recent form is your reliable predictor you must be far from enthusiastic about the Llorente signing??? And yet, I am brilliantly enthusiastic about his arrival and future in a Juve jersey. In his case, DB, his recent form is not at all a reliable indicator of his potential for future success, and its here that your theory falls flat on its face…

          • http://www.dirtbunny.net/ Dirtbunny

            Wow. I thought you were trying to have a serious discussion and that the insulting language and ad hominem attacks in your first post were mere clumsy attempts at eloquence since we come from all over the world and don’t all speak English as perfectly as Lars. My mistake. You’re here to troll. Troll on, troll.

          • http://www.dirtbunny.net/ Dirtbunny

            Wow. I thought you were trying to have a serious discussion and that the insulting language and ad hominem attacks in your first post were mere clumsy attempts at eloquence since we come from all over the world and don’t all speak English as perfectly as Lars. My mistake. You’re here to troll. Troll on, troll.

          • http://www.dirtbunny.net/ Dirtbunny

            Wow. I thought you were trying to have a serious discussion and that the insulting language and ad hominem attacks in your first post were mere clumsy attempts at eloquence since we come from all over the world and don’t all speak English as perfectly as Lars. My mistake. You’re here to troll. Troll on, troll.

          • http://lavecchiasignora.net/phpBB3/index.php thegutterpoet

            you are not making any sense, dirt bunny…insulting language would be insulting. I began my last post by making it very clear that I hadn’t insulted you as YOU HAD CONJURED. It seems that anything which opposes your view, with reasoned debate, counts as ‘insulting language’ and trolling.

            If it suits you to offer in response to reasoned debate, insults and slurs, so be it…I’m a little too long in the tooth to be playing the adolescent fairy game. And I’d rather discuss Juve.

    • Vittorio

      I meant like-for-like in the sense of simply not being able to score NOW. That is the only categorical comparison I was making. And it was more an expression of a projected fear than anything else, which is why I phrased it the way I did.

  • JOSHUA

    Ach, I was so looking forward to having a silver star on next season’s jersey :( Agree with you about Del Piero, but I sincerely hope Anelka adds a different dimension to our attack, which has really been one- dimensional this season. Not optimistic on this one, but one can only hope. And we really should have gotten a few penalties against Lazio. Goddamn refs!

  • http://twitter.com/DavidCostantini David Costantini

    Just got an envelope from DHL, my Laziale cousins shelled out €23 to overnight me yesterday’s newsstand issues of Tuttosport, GdS and Corriere and their ticket stubs. This is why I hate losing to Lazio.

    Regarding Le Sulk, I have very modest expecations, but expectations nonetheless – more than I can say I had for Bendtner. I saw him play live for both Bolton and Chelsea, he was spectacular back then but that was 5+ years ago. Since the Blues won the double in 2010 he’s done very little on the pitch and need I bring up the profanity-laced tantrum vs Domenech, subsequent FFF excommunication, and Villas-Boas blowout? He hasn’t played in over a month, and Beppe himself said he’s not match ready yet – but the first thing that needs to happen is Nico has leave his Louis Vuitton baggage behind and buy into lo stile Juve, if that is even possible.

    My fear is that he becomes a source of distraction and discontent – can you imagine a scenario where Conte tells him to take a PK and Nico refuses, like he did to Avram Grant in the 2008 CL final vs Man U?

    My hope is that Conte can wring five more months of calcio out of him. It’s possible. After his stint at Fenerbache he responded well to Sam Allardyce’s hard-nosed managing style at Bolton, and perhaps Conte can have the same positive effect. Anelka was also a player-coach at Shenhua, he understands the tactical side of the equation quite well. Will he 1) accept his role and 2) can he still execute? Those are the open questions. After some rigorous training at Vinovo we will find out, the fact that he’s CL eligible is a big reason why we got him in the first place.

    Celtic is less than 2 weeks away. Chievo and Fiorentina will be very important in terms of building confidence and momentum leading up to Juve’s visit to Parkhead. Forza Juve

    • Vittorio

      Man, that’s a cruel thing for anyone to do, and expensive!